I want to get a 1911 in 22 cal and I have had the Chiappa 1911-22 in my hand, feels real good -Dealer said it is made by Hi Point in Dayton Ohio and it is $100.00 cheaper than the Colt/Walther 1911 in.22Another good point is it is made in the USA instead of Germany for the Colt/Walther 1911Drawback is there is no Grip Safety on the Chiappa -I guess I can live with that. I'm not sure how I feel about the magazine being made of plastic but the dealer assures me he has not had any problems with them and I guess they won't rust!Dealer will have both in stock next Friday. In the mean time do any of you have experience with both and if so does either stand out above the other? Dayton?Nope, Italy. MKS is the importer.
MKS is in Dayton, but a glance at the web site reveals:MKS Supply Expands Offering of Italian-made Chiappa FirearmsCharles Brown, President of MKS said, “We’re very excited about expanding our Chiappa line—the company builds exceptionally high-quality guns at very attractive prices. Chiappa has been manufacturing firearms for over 50 years and their focus is on authentic reproductions of classic historic and modern firearms. MKS Supply will be carrying a range of Chiappa’s modern firearm reproductions including the venerable model 1911 and the M4-22 Carbine semiautomatic rifle—both chambered in.22 LR. Windows 10 hide defender icon on mac. It’s the best of both worlds, you can own a classic design and enjoy hours of recreational shooting using inexpensive.22 caliber ammo.”MKS is also the marketer for the Chiappa Rhino, one of the most innovative new revolvers on the market today. The Rhino is available in a 2” barrel model and will soon be available in 4”, 5” and 6” models, all chambered in.357 magnum caliber.The Rhino’s revolutionary design truly redefines the revolver—so much so that it is featured on the cover of this December’s Guns & Ammo magazine.All Chiappa products are warranted and serviced in the USA at Chiappa’s service center in Dayton OhioRegards,Walt.
I have a Chiappa 1911-22. Love shooting it. Just remember, it only resembles a 1911. What I mean is that the barrel is fixed to the frame. This can be a blessing or curse. I have been using it for practice, and shooting my big one in club contests.
The groups on the 45 got smaller, but the 22 groups stayed the same. I tried several things, but the 22 groups were still random. Sight-Mark bore-sighter was way off for the iron sights. Seemed that what ever adjustments I made, they were still off. As a last resort I tried an optics mount(AimTech) that mounted to the right-side in-leu-of the pistol grip, and one of my left over red-dot sights. Lucked out again! Any range was right on.What I can see is that in order for the slide to function, there is a little more freedom between it and the rails.
The iron sights are fixed to the slide, and with a little wear, they can point anywhere. My aim could be true, but the barrel, being unrelated to the slide, can have shots going somewhere else(within reason).Just fix the sighting system to the frame, then the sights and the barrel will be related(pointing in the same direction).What does this have to do with a 1911? When the locking lugs on the barrel, and on the slide, are engaged, they develop a relationship that (hopefully) will be repeated over and over. SO, the sights are on the slide, the barrel is locked into the slide, and should point in the same direction. This is just one way that the Chiappa's aren't really 1911's.I'm not saying that they are bad guns, just remember what you have, don't have, and why. I've been shooting with the 22 set-up this way for about a month now, and really feel that it is ready for Bull's-eye this month. Hope I am.Chiappa's are nice, inexpensive, and under the right conditions pretty accurate.
A good alternative to the Chiappa is a GSG1911-22, imported by ATI, made in Germany. I've had no issues with mine, but don't have the Chiappa so no personal comparison. When researching them, consensus was that the GSG was a little better quality. Of course, around here, a slightly higher price also.One thing everyone seemed to agree on was the Chiappa needed hi-velocity ammo to cycle properly & the GSG would handle the cheap bulk ammo. Out of a 550 round box of Federal, mine had about 1/2 dz.
Stove pipes & a dozen or so needed a double strike, but had no feed issues at all. A good alternative to the Chiappa is a GSG1911-22, imported by ATI, made in Germany. I've had no issues with mine, but don't have the Chiappa so no personal comparison. When researching them, consensus was that the GSG was a little better quality. Of course, around here, a slightly higher price also.One thing everyone seemed to agree on was the Chiappa needed hi-velocity ammo to cycle properly & the GSG would handle the cheap bulk ammo. Out of a 550 round box of Federal, mine had about 1/2 dz. Stove pipes & a dozen or so needed a double strike, but had no feed issues at all.
I looked again and my Chiappa 1911-22 states 'Made in Dayton Ohio' on the side.I went to the company website and they state the Dayton facility manufactures and services firearms for the United States market. Much like Honda manufactures cars in the US for this market.
Yes it is an Itialian owned company and I'm sure much of the profits go back to Italy but at least we have some americans earning a wage here!Is it the best 1911 in 22 cal out there? No but it is reasonable in cost and for a training weapon it does fine! The Made in USA just tips the scale slightly for me.
Its been about 8 months since I bought the Chiappa M9 22 replica of the Beretta M9 (92fs). I honestly have not shot tons of rounds through this gun like most of my others. But something happened to me the other weekend while shooting the M9 22.
A blast of particles came back into my face. I figured it was just crappy ammo and that the slide had not closed all the way. Then it happened again. I began to look at my brass that was ejected and noticed a massive bulge near the base and a couple that had actually cracked. It appears that the bottom side of the chamber has swelled or something. Needless to say this gun will be going back to the manufacturer for repair.
I hope they can fix this. I really think this gun is a nice training tool for my real Beretta 92F. I'll keep you informed how it goes.Update 2-5-2013:Here is my letter to Chiappa.Let me just start of by saying that Chiappa's track record with me is not good. This is the second product I have bought from Chiappa and it has been defective.
Its sad since Chiappa appears to have some really nice looking guns. The 1st time I purchased from Chiappa it was a couple of M4 22LR rifle magazines and they did not work, they appeared used, and one even had 'BAD' written on the side of it with a permanent marker. To Chiappa's credit they were replaced quickly with new magazines. My second purchase from Chiappa is the M9-22 S/N xxxxxxxx. This pistol apparently has an issue with the chamber and the brass swells upon ignition and in some cases cracks and blows back pieces of brass and powder residue into the shooters face.
I sent the pistol back to Chiappa with spent brass casings so the technician could see it 1st hand ( RMA# was xxxx). I received my M9-22 last week with a letter saying there was a bur on the feeding ramps and that it was removed. I do not believe the pistol was test fired after it was deburred and sent back to me.
I shot the pistol with 10 rounds and they all exhibited the same issue with bulged cases.This gun is unsafe. What can be done to resolve this issue? One of those guys is right in my opinion about the action not closeing all the way. I have an m9-22 from chiappa but its the tactical version, works the same way. One the slide spring doesnt always pull the action closed all the way and has to be thumb finished before firing, doesnt always eject due to gental spring and clearance. But for your issue I would actually take a round color it with a thin layer of paint and manually load and close the action. When you remove it without firing it look at the paint scrape marks and varify that the action is full.
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From apearance in your pictures the loading gate and port chamber seems true to the barrel but im also not holding it in my hands, but it certainly doesnt look as far off as the buldging of the rounds. I think the slide block is too far back in the slide causeing complete closer but NOT full action. Ex navy petti officer 2nd class. Hope that helps sorry for the long speel lol.
This little 1911-like 22 pistol got great reviews at Gunblast.com. I found one for $270 at last weekends HGCA gun show and finding nothing else of interest at a price I was willing to pay, I picked one up.Its nice to get a gun for the price of a conversion kit, and the review said it functioned well with cheap bulk pack ammo - the reason for getting a look-alike in.22, IMHO. I mean if you need to pay for premium.22 ammo to make it work, you might as well shoot a real gun. I've seen plenty of 1911 conversions at our club jam, and pretty much everyone complains that they don't work well with cheap ammo.The 1911-22 feel is excellent, heft like a real 1911 and all the controls are in the 'right' place and functional. Slide locked back on the last shot every time and accuracy seemed very good with cheap Federal Bulk Pack and Lightning shooting steel plates. No feed issues. So why am I giving it a thumbs down?The answer is the trigger, its heavy but crisp enough to shoot well, but the reset is terribly long, so long a couple of times I though I'd had a failure as nothing happed when I pulled the trigger - turns out they weren't failures, I just didn't release far enough for it to reset!
So unfortunately shooting it is nothing like shooting a 1911 because of the horrendously long trigger reset. At least with a conversion you get the trigger of your real 1911.The magazine is all plastic except for the spring and feels pretty cheap, but it was easy to load and so far seems OK, I've dropped in once already and nothing broke. I found some spare mags via Google, $19 each seems pretty darn high for what feels a lot like an AirSoft mag.Seems there were some rough edges internally and several scratches quickly appeared on the barrel and slide after only a few shots. My first Colt 1911 had this 'frame drag' issue so its not an uncommon flaw. Obviously its a bigger issue on a more expensive pistol, but still a bit of a disappointment.I won't pan the gun for the large number of stovepipes I had, although I was miffed initially. Seems we might have got some bad bulk packs at WalMart before Thanksgiving, as my wife and I ran through 1200 rounds on the plates after I put the 1911-22 up, and every gun was stovepiping, even her Browning Buckmark & Neos, and my S&W M22A which have been so long between failures I'd practically forgot it was possible. Several rounds were so weak I was checking for bore obstructionsStill we had a wonderful morning together at the range.
I'll certainly follow-up if it continues to stovepipe on ammo that is good in my other guns.-wally. I found this thread by accident, joined up, and had to comment to save some grief for anyone considering the Chiappa Puma 1911-22. Despite being cool looking, well balanced and (kinda) fun to shoot. It's hard to recommend this gun.I own a Ruger Standard I and a Sig Mosquito, both of which are supurb.22LR pistols. My Kimber 1911 45 is a work of art and performance.
With regard to the Puma, the fit and finish is more like a metal airsoft pistol than a firearm. It is much cheaper than a Kimber rimfire and it looks like it should be.That fit and finish is reflected in performance too.
Yes, it is pretty accurate - if you can tolerate the misfires (no, not the ammo - that's the best ammo results). There seems to be some sloppiness in the hammer, trigger, and pin assembly that seem to result in the annoying clinks instead of pops. One can simply pull the hammer back and fire again - but why would you want to?I am going to strongly consider replacing it at the next gun show. I hate to be too heavy on the Puma - like I said, it is way cool and priced right ($320 complete). But over time, a good gun pays for itself in joy and a bad gun just takes up precious space in the vault.Edit - I spoke with Chiappa today about my disappointment and they were very nice and promised a 'better than new' gun when I send it in for warranty repair. So, gun gets a B-, but Chiappa gets an A+ on customer responsiveness. I will update the thread when the gun comes back.
Its nice to get a gun for the price of a conversion kit, and the review said it functioned well with cheap bulk pack ammo - the reason for getting a look-alike in.22, IMHO. I mean if you need to pay for premium.22 ammo to make it work, you might as well shoot a real gun.
I've seen plenty of 1911 conversions at our club jam, and pretty much everyone complains that they don't work well with cheap ammo.For a time PMC.22 was $90/5000 case. I bought as much as I could, shot it all. Keep it in the black at 25 yards all day long.
Come to think of it, my Marvel has never been ammo sensitive for reliability. And I get to put it on a frame with a decent trigger, so I think I'll continue to pay more and get more when I get a 2nd Marvel.
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